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Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?

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> Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?

Out of curiousity, why?

And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 03:37:13PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
> > Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> > is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
> 
> Out of curiousity, why?

"Out of curiousity" :)

Perhaps for the same reasons I spent a half an hour getting BSD 2.11
running on a PDP-11 emulator.

> And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
> 

http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/

 Quote:
 "24th January 2002
     Caldera have released several of the Ancient UNIX versions under a
	 BSD-style license. See their license agreement for more details."

Caldera's License Agreement:

http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf

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> Nate
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> > > Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> > > is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
> > 
> > Out of curiousity, why?
> 
> "Out of curiousity" :)
> 
> Perhaps for the same reasons I spent a half an hour getting BSD 2.11
> running on a PDP-11 emulator.
> 
> > And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
> > 
> 
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/
> 
>  Quote:
>  "24th January 2002
>      Caldera have released several of the Ancient UNIX versions under a
> 	 BSD-style license. See their license agreement for more details."
> 
> Caldera's License Agreement:
> 
> http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf

Thanks.  However, this isn't as specific as I'd like it to be.  It
implies that Net1/Net2 are now 'legal', but it doesn't give explicit
release of said source code.


Nate

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:47:04PM +0000, Dominic Marks wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 03:37:13PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
> > > Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> > > is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
> > 
> > Out of curiousity, why?
> 
> "Out of curiousity" :)

Kirk was surprised by how popular the CSRG archives CDs are.

> > And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
> 
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/

There's also a link from Caldera's own site
http://www.caldera.com/company/news/

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> > > > Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> > > > is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
> > > 
> > > Out of curiousity, why?
> > 
> > "Out of curiousity" :)
> 
> Kirk was surprised by how popular the CSRG archives CDs are.

I got one of those too. :)

> > > And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
> > 
> > http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/
> 
> There's also a link from Caldera's own site
> http://www.caldera.com/company/news/

Thanks.  I'm going to wait and see what happens w/regards to the talking
heads on this, and if the consensus is that it's legal to post, I'll
upload the bits to freefall.


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On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 03:55:04PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  I'm going to wait and see what happens w/regards to the talking
> heads on this, and if the consensus is that it's legal to post, I'll
> upload the bits to freefall.

I'll note that this happened because of the efforts of the Unix
Heritage Society, and their archive (which until recently was
password-protected and required a free licence from SCO, like
the CSRG CDs) is now public. See <http://www.tuhs.org/> and
<http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2002-January/thread.html>.

Tony.

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> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:55:04 -0700
> From: Nate Williams <n...@yogotech.com>
> To: Tony Finch <d...@dotat.at>
> Cc: Dominic Marks <dominic_ma...@btinternet.com>,
> 	Nate Williams <n...@yogotech.com>, hack...@FreeBSD.ORG
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>>>>> Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
>>>>> is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiousity, why?
>>>
>>> "Out of curiousity" :)
>>
>> Kirk was surprised by how popular the CSRG archives CDs are.
>
> I got one of those too. :)
>
>>>> And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
>>>
>>> http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/
>>
>> There's also a link from Caldera's own site
>> http://www.caldera.com/company/news/
>
> Thanks.  I'm going to wait and see what happens w/regards to the
> talking heads on this, and if the consensus is that it's legal to
> post, I'll upload the bits to freefall.

It's legal.  Here's the original message.  I'm also copying Dion
Johnson.  Dion, as I'm sure you're aware, we took the FreeBSD 1.x
sources offline because they were "tainted" with AT&T code.  Now that
32V is free, there should be no further problem releasing them, right?

Greg

> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:37 -0800
> From: Dion Johnson <di...@caldera.com>
> To: w...@minnie.tuhs.org
> Cc: d...@bell-labs.com, k...@plan9.bell-labs.com, g...@lemis.com,
> 	John Terpstra <j...@caldera.com>, d...@caldera.com, mad...@li.org,
> 	e...@starnix.com, pha...@caldera.com, ran...@caldera.com
> Subject: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources
>
> Dear Warren, and friends,
>
> I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed
> the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license.
> I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto.  Feel free to
> propogate it as you see fit.
>
> I apologize that this has taken so long.  We do not have a well
> regulated archive of these ancient releases, so we must depend
> upon you UNIX enthusiasts, historians, and original authors to
> help the community of interested parties figure out exactly what
> is available, where, and how.
>
> Many thanks to Warren Toomey, of PUPS, and to Caldera's Bill
> Broderick, director of licensing services here.  Both of these
> gentlemen were instrumental in making this happen.  And thanks
> to our CEO, Ransom Love, whose vision for Caldera International
> prescribes cooperation and mutual respect for the open source
> communities.
>
> Of course, there are thousands of other people who should be
> acknowledged.  I regret I do not have time or wisdom to make
> a list of them all, but maybe someone does, or has.
>
> Anyway, here it is.  Feel free to write to us if you want to
> understand more about how/why Caldera International has released
> this code, or you have any other comments that we should hear.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dion L. Johnson II - di...@caldera.com
> Product Manager and one of many open source enthusiasts in Caldera Intl.
>
> Paul Hatch - pha...@caldera.com
> Public Relations Manager at Caldera International
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Greg,

Yes it is most certainly our intent to free up the ancient Unix
sources so that they can be used, essentially, for anything.
Caldera asks for some acknowledgement, and disclaims all the
usual stuff.

I cant completely answer the question about your archives since I
have not examined them and I dont know what other taint may be
present.  But as far as the ancient Unix, and the "AT&T source
license" requirement is concerned, I think this part of the
problem has gone away.

Caldera really does want this to be a happy, open source party
of geek fun.  We are not looking to trick anyone with secret
legal viruses hidden in the code, or dark incantations buried
in the fine print. ;-)  

Write me if anyone has any questions or wants more reassurances.
-Dion

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On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:05:20AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:55:04 -0700
> > From: Nate Williams <n...@yogotech.com>
> > To: Tony Finch <d...@dotat.at>
> > Cc: Dominic Marks <dominic_ma...@btinternet.com>,
> > 	Nate Williams <n...@yogotech.com>, hack...@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD-1.X public cvs?
> > X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid
> >
> >>>>> Now that ancient unix has been relicensed with an old-style BSD licence,
> >>>>> is the FreeBSD-1.X cvs repository going to be made public?
> >>>>
> >>>> Out of curiousity, why?
> >>>
> >>> "Out of curiousity" :)
> >>
> >> Kirk was surprised by how popular the CSRG archives CDs are.
> >
> > I got one of those too. :)
> >
> >>>> And, where have you heard that it's been relicensed?
> >>>
> >>> http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/
> >>
> >> There's also a link from Caldera's own site
> >> http://www.caldera.com/company/news/
> >
> > Thanks.  I'm going to wait and see what happens w/regards to the
> > talking heads on this, and if the consensus is that it's legal to
> > post, I'll upload the bits to freefall.
> 
> It's legal.  Here's the original message.  I'm also copying Dion
> Johnson.  Dion, as I'm sure you're aware, we took the FreeBSD 1.x
> sources offline because they were "tainted" with AT&T code.  Now that
> 32V is free, there should be no further problem releasing them, right?
> 
> Greg
> 
> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:37 -0800
> > From: Dion Johnson <di...@caldera.com>
> > To: w...@minnie.tuhs.org
> > Cc: d...@bell-labs.com, k...@plan9.bell-labs.com, g...@lemis.com,
> > 	John Terpstra <j...@caldera.com>, d...@caldera.com, mad...@li.org,
> > 	e...@starnix.com, pha...@caldera.com, ran...@caldera.com
> > Subject: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources
> >
> > Dear Warren, and friends,
> >
> > I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed
> > the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license.
> > I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto.  Feel free to
> > propogate it as you see fit.
> >
> > I apologize that this has taken so long.  We do not have a well
> > regulated archive of these ancient releases, so we must depend
> > upon you UNIX enthusiasts, historians, and original authors to
> > help the community of interested parties figure out exactly what
> > is available, where, and how.
> >
> > Many thanks to Warren Toomey, of PUPS, and to Caldera's Bill
> > Broderick, director of licensing services here.  Both of these
> > gentlemen were instrumental in making this happen.  And thanks
> > to our CEO, Ransom Love, whose vision for Caldera International
> > prescribes cooperation and mutual respect for the open source
> > communities.
> >
> > Of course, there are thousands of other people who should be
> > acknowledged.  I regret I do not have time or wisdom to make
> > a list of them all, but maybe someone does, or has.
> >
> > Anyway, here it is.  Feel free to write to us if you want to
> > understand more about how/why Caldera International has released
> > this code, or you have any other comments that we should hear.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dion L. Johnson II - di...@caldera.com
> > Product Manager and one of many open source enthusiasts in Caldera Intl.
> >
> > Paul Hatch - pha...@caldera.com
> > Public Relations Manager at Caldera International
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