From wkt@tuhs.org Thu Jan 24 00:25:33 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:25:33 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Ancient UNIX now under a BSD license
Message-ID: <200201240025.g0O0Pb767927@minnie.tuhs.org>
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All,
Amazing news. I have been negotiating with Caldera to release the
Ancient UNIX under a BSD-style license. Well, they got it done faster
than I expected. See attached license.
I'll start removing the username/password stuff on the Unix Archive soon.
Warren
From wkt@tuhs.org Thu Jan 24 04:51:39 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:51:39 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Archive now available anonymously
Message-ID: <200201240451.g0O4pd090062@minnie.tuhs.org>
All,
With the new Caldera license, the Unix Archive is now available to
you anonymously. You can throw away those passwords now. The list of
Archive mirrors is at:
http://www.tuhs.org/archive_sites.html
and if you can become a mirror, please read
http://www.tuhs.org/mirroring.html
and send me some e-mail when you are ready to be added to the list.
I can tell you that up to now, 2,830 people obtained a SCO Ancient UNIX
license, of which 250 had to pay the US$100 to get it. I'll turn off the
CGI script which allows you to obtain a SCO license now ....
You know this means that Net/2, 4.xBSD and 2.11BSD are all freely available
now :)
Cheers,
Warren
From jrengdahl@safeaccess.com Thu Jan 24 14:13:05 2002
From: jrengdahl@safeaccess.com (Jonathan Engdahl)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:13:05 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [pups] Ancient UNIX now under a BSD license
References: <200201240025.g0O0Pb767927@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <010001c1a4e1$3e3f0980$e3c89782@ra.rockwell.com>
That is wonderful! Congratulations and many thanks for the tremendous
contribution.
Hurrah for Caldera and Bill Broderick, too. Thank you.
--
Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation
Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive
Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 USA
http://users.safeacess.com/engdahl jrengdahl@safeaccess.com
From bill@cs.scranton.edu Thu Jan 24 15:13:02 2002
From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:13:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [pups] Re: Caldera license
In-Reply-To: <200201241417.g0OEHiu04148@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <20020124100902.H29210-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>
Warren,
being as you have already answered my question regarding how this
effects BSD 4.x, that leaves only one question. Does this require
that the Caldera Copyright notice be inserted into all the source
files before they can be released anywhere?? For example, if I put
up a site for the continued develpment of Ultrix-11 do all the files
need to contain the Caldera Copyright before I can allow people to
work with them?? Mind, I don't mean the whole text of the message,
I merely mean the line Copyright Caldera 2001, 2002.......
bill
--
Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include < std.disclaimer.h>
From MichaelDavidson@pacbell.net Thu Jan 24 15:29:06 2002
From: MichaelDavidson@pacbell.net (Michael Davidson)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:29:06 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [pups] Ancient UNIX now under a BSD license
References: <200201240025.g0O0Pb767927@minnie.tuhs.org>
<010001c1a4e1$3e3f0980$e3c89782@ra.rockwell.com>
Message-ID: <3C502842.3090200@pacbell.net>
Jonathan Engdahl wrote:
>That is wonderful! Congratulations and many thanks for the tremendous
>contribution.
>
>Hurrah for Caldera and Bill Broderick, too. Thank you.
>
In addition to Bill, a large debt of gratitude is also owed to Dion
Johnson, formerly of SCO,
now of Caldera.
Dion was the driving force at SCO behind the original release of the
"Ancient UNIX" source
code and this final milestone was almost entirely his doing as well.
I don't believe that he subscribes to either of these lists and, even if
he does, he is far too
modest to take the credit for all of the time and energy that he has
put into this project
behind the scenes, but I want to make sure that it does not go
unrecognized.
If any of you want to send a note of thanks to him personally, his
email address is:
dionj@caldera.com
From MichaelDavidson@pacbell.net Thu Jan 24 15:43:37 2002
From: MichaelDavidson@pacbell.net (Michael Davidson)
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:43:37 -0800
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [pups] Re: Caldera license
References: <20020124100902.H29210-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>
Message-ID: <3C502BA9.5040701@pacbell.net>
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>Warren,
> being as you have already answered my question regarding how this
>effects BSD 4.x, that leaves only one question. Does this require
>that the Caldera Copyright notice be inserted into all the source
>files before they can be released anywhere?? For example, if I put
>up a site for the continued develpment of Ultrix-11 do all the files
>need to contain the Caldera Copyright before I can allow people to
>work with them?? Mind, I don't mean the whole text of the message,
>I merely mean the line Copyright Caldera 2001, 2002.......
>
While I am not a lawyer, and don't speak officially for Caldera on this,
I know that the
intent of this was not to require the addition or changing of any
copyright notices in the
files themselves. Strictly speaking, the actual copyright ownership
hasn't really changed.
The copyright was owned by Caldera and it still is.
The actual copyright notices which may appear in various parts of the
source code are
historic and haven't reflected the current ownership of the code for
years - nor do they
need to. (I believe that from a strict legal standpoint the actual
copyright notice in the
code is essentially irrelevant)
What has changed is the license under which it may be used.
I believe that it is sufficient to provide a single copy of the license
/ copyright text from
the letter along with any file or files that either come directly from
or are derived from
any of the listed operating systems.
From wkt@tuhs.org Thu Jan 24 22:05:31 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:05:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Re: [pups] Re: Caldera license
In-Reply-To: <3C502BA9.5040701@pacbell.net> from Michael Davidson at "Jan 24,
2002 07:43:37 am"
Message-ID: <200201242205.g0OM5V212564@minnie.tuhs.org>
In article by Michael Davidson:
> I believe that it is sufficient to provide a single copy of the license
> / copyright text from the letter along with any file or files that
> either come directly from or are derived from
> any of the listed operating systems.
I believe that's all we need to do. I'm only going to have 1 copy
of the license agreement in the Unix Archive, with the odd pointer
to it in some of the READMEs.
Warren
From perry@wasabisystems.com Thu Jan 24 23:12:38 2002
From: perry@wasabisystems.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Date: 24 Jan 2002 18:12:38 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Unix Archive now available anonymously
In-Reply-To: <200201240451.g0O4pd090062@minnie.tuhs.org>
References: <200201240451.g0O4pd090062@minnie.tuhs.org>
Message-ID: <87sn8vfimx.fsf@snark.piermont.com>
Warren Toomey < wkt@minnie.tuhs.org> writes:
> You know this means that Net/2, 4.xBSD and 2.11BSD are all freely available
> now :)
Not quite. Although it is obvious that UCB would intend those files to
be freely available, they never had a UCB license on their diffs from
32V per se.
It is my understanding that Kirk McKusick is working on getting this
rectified by the UCB people shortly.
--
Perry E. Metzger perry@wasabisystems.com
--
NetBSD Development, Support & CDs. http://www.wasabisystems.com/
From tls@rek.tjls.com Fri Jan 25 07:26:27 2002
From: tls@rek.tjls.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:26:27 -0500
Subject: [pups] Re: [TUHS] Unix Archive now available anonymously
In-Reply-To: <87sn8vfimx.fsf@snark.piermont.com>
References: <200201240451.g0O4pd090062@minnie.tuhs.org> <87sn8vfimx.fsf@snark.piermont.com>
Message-ID: <20020125072627.GA8748@rek.tjls.com>
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:12:38PM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
> Warren Toomey < wkt@minnie.tuhs.org> writes:
> > You know this means that Net/2, 4.xBSD and 2.11BSD are all freely available
> > now :)
>
> Not quite. Although it is obvious that UCB would intend those files to
> be freely available, they never had a UCB license on their diffs from
> 32V per se.
>
> It is my understanding that Kirk McKusick is working on getting this
> rectified by the UCB people shortly.
Oh, one other thing that springs to mind: I'm not sure Ultrix-32 is strictly
OK to have in the archive, either; when I first tried to buy an Ultrix source
license (for Ultrix 3.1 at that time, and then again for Ultrix 4.0) I was
told that I needed not a 32V license, which I had, but a SVR2 license, which
was basically unobtainable at that time, before DEC would sell me an Ultrix
source distribution. Did someone correct this misunderstanding before Ultrix
was placed in the archive?
Thor
From wkt@tuhs.org Tue Feb 5 06:21:57 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:21:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Browse Unix src: the Unix Tree
Message-ID: <200202050621.g156LwK91534@minnie.tuhs.org>
All,
With the freeing up of the Unix source, not only can I open up
the Unix Archive to anonymous downloads, but I can now make my Unix Tree
web site available anonymously: http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/
Here is where you will find unpacked versions of Unix source code, and
a means of comparing files between different versions.
Cheers,
Warren
P.S Thanks to the many people who have set up mirrors of the Unix Archive.
From firebug@apk.net Mon Feb 18 05:30:18 2002
From: firebug@apk.net (Derrik Walker v2.0)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:30:18 -0500
Subject: [TUHS] Legal ramifications putting certain things on my web site?
Message-ID: <9829AFEA-2430-11D6-A883-003065C1AC88@apk.net>
I've started porting some of the old UNIX programs to Mac OS X. I've
got about 1/2 the games, that should be ok, but I also have other things
like crypt and makekey. I'd like to make these available in binary
form, but I don't want the men in black knocking at my door either...
Any thoughts?
On a side note, I simply can not believe how easy it is to compile this
old code under Mac OS X. for some of it, it's proving easier than
porting Linux code ( if you've only known how long I worked on linux's
fortune, and the old one just compiled no fuss, no problems ).
Also, if your wandering why ... that's easy, because I can.
Thanks.
- Derrik
firebug@apk.net
http://junior.apk.net/~firebug
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.
-- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972
From wkt@tuhs.org Mon Feb 18 09:36:54 2002
From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:36:54 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [TUHS] Legal ramifications putting certain things on my web site?
In-Reply-To: <9829AFEA-2430-11D6-A883-003065C1AC88@apk.net> from "Derrik Walker
v2.0" at "Feb 18, 2002 00:30:18 am"
Message-ID: <200202180936.g1I9ats43685@minnie.tuhs.org>
In article by Derrik Walker v2.0:
> I've started porting some of the old UNIX programs to Mac OS X. I've
> got about 1/2 the games, that should be ok, but I also have other things
> like crypt and makekey. I'd like to make these available in binary
> form, but I don't want the men in black knocking at my door either...
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> On a side note, I simply can not believe how easy it is to compile this
> old code under Mac OS X. for some of it, it's proving easier than
> porting Linux code ( if you've only known how long I worked on linux's
> fortune, and the old one just compiled no fuss, no problems ).
>
> Also, if your wandering why ... that's easy, because I can.
> Thanks.
> - Derrik
Derrick, if it's code from 32V, 7th Edition or earlier, then you are
covered by the new Caldera Ancient UNIX license, and you can release
binaries and/or source. If it's code from any of the BSDs, then you
are covered by a standard BSD license, except for the bits which
Caldera can trace as belonging to them 8-)
Cheers,
Warren