From: "J. S. Havard" <eni...@intop.net>
Subject: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/21
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I have a MicroVAX-II KA630, soon to get a TK50 tape drive and all that,
but can't stand the crummy VMS, and also, all the stuff for booting is
located on these nice bad sectors when the disk went farming or
something like that. I mean this thing sounds horrible!
I have three other perfectly good drives to use, so there really isnt a
problem. Total, I have 3 RD53s (one bad) and an RD54. So, not
including the bad disk, have over 300 megs. I think it has 4 megs of
ram also, but not really sure.
Well, anyways, I want to get 4.3 BSD, before the changed to the current
way *BSD is. I want an older feel for an older computer. :-)
Regards,
John Havard
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From: b...@GTS.Net (Hello Kittyhawk)
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/23
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In article <86k956o0bf....@athene.nhh.no>,
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo <tih+n...@nhh.no> wrote:
|"J. S. Havard" <eni...@intop.net> writes:
|
|> Well, anyways, I want to get 4.3 BSD, before the changed to the current
|> way *BSD is. I want an older feel for an older computer. :-)
|
|Point your web browser at the PDP UNIX Preservation Society, at
|http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/, and you'll find out how to purchase
|a genuine source licence for "ancient UNIX" from SCO for just $100.
|This will allow you to legally run 4.3BSD on your MicroVAX.
I don't thik 4.3BSD is included in that deal...
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From: w...@css.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/23
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In article <EwJ4DJ.56D.0.hotl...@GTS.Net>,
b...@GTS.Net (Hello Kittyhawk) writes:
|> In article <86k956o0bf....@athene.nhh.no>,
|> Tom Ivar Helbekkmo <tih+n...@nhh.no> wrote:
|> |"J. S. Havard" <eni...@intop.net> writes:
|> |
|> |> Well, anyways, I want to get 4.3 BSD, before the changed to the current
|> |> way *BSD is. I want an older feel for an older computer. :-)
|> |
|> |Point your web browser at the PDP UNIX Preservation Society, at
|> |http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/, and you'll find out how to purchase
|> |a genuine source licence for "ancient UNIX" from SCO for just $100.
|> |This will allow you to legally run 4.3BSD on your MicroVAX.
|>
|>
|> I don't thik 4.3BSD is included in that deal...
No, but the SCO license covers 32V, and you need a 32V source license
in order to obtain the 4.3BSD sources. Ditto 4.4BSD.
Cheers all,
Warren
Remove one s for my mail address
From: "Robert D. Keys" <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/24
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Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
> |> |> Well, anyways, I want to get 4.3 BSD, before the changed to the current
> |> |> way *BSD is. I want an older feel for an older computer. :-)
> |> |
> |> |Point your web browser at the PDP UNIX Preservation Society, at
> |> |http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/, and you'll find out how to purchase
> |> |a genuine source licence for "ancient UNIX" from SCO for just $100.
> |> |This will allow you to legally run 4.3BSD on your MicroVAX.
> |>
> |> I don't thik 4.3BSD is included in that deal...
> No, but the SCO license covers 32V, and you need a 32V source license
> in order to obtain the 4.3BSD sources. Ditto 4.4BSD.
> Cheers all,
> Warren
Warren.... can you fill us in on what binary licenses are covered under
the sco free license thing? Would that cover binary distributions of
the ancient unix and related derivative things on machines not PDP-11ish?
I would think that the PUPS might look into that. There were odd things
like later vaxen, IBM machines, odd 68000 based critters, and even early
x86 toys. I sense there would be some good mileage that the PUPS philosophy
might cover regarding these.
Not everyone has an 11/780 in their basement, but, you know, sometimes
these toys surface. The PUPS philosophy would be appropriate for those
kinds of toys. For most of us they are playtoys and not likely to
impinge on SCO revenues, and hence should be covered under something like
the PUPS arrangements.
Just thinking....
RDK
From: pe...@baileynm.com ()
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/24
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In article <6paehe$fu...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
Robert D. Keys <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
>> No, but the SCO license covers 32V, and you need a 32V source license
>> in order to obtain the 4.3BSD sources. Ditto 4.4BSD.
>I would think that the PUPS might look into that. There were odd things
>like later vaxen, IBM machines, odd 68000 based critters, and even early
>x86 toys. I sense there would be some good mileage that the PUPS philosophy
>might cover regarding these.
Including the 3b1, perhaps? It's System V-based, but it's not going to
compete with anything SCO's selling...
From: w...@css.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Ancient UNIX licenses from SCO (was 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes)
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A few people asked about the SCO free binary license and the cheap source
license for Ancient versions of UNIX. Here are the main details, see
http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ for the full license details.
Free binary license: 5th, 6th, 7th Edition UNIX for the PDP-11 only.
Cheap UNIX source license: Research editions 1 to 7, 32V. As well,
derived systems for 16-bit systems, excluding System V onwards.
The licenses are for personal use, non-commercial activities.
Robery Keys also asked if the PDP UNIX Preservation Society (PUPS, see
URL above) was considering brancing out into the preservation of other
UNIXes (e.g the 4BSD, 3B2, etc). I'd say that we've got enough work
just on the PDP-11 side of things! I would like to see another group
tackle the project of 32-bit UNIX preservation. However, I'd be very
interested and supportive of the project, and would help out if I could.
Cheers all,
Warren
only 1 s in my mail address
From: "Robert D. Keys" <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ancient UNIX licenses from SCO (was 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes)
Date: 1998/07/26
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Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
> Robery Keys also asked if the PDP UNIX Preservation Society (PUPS, see
> URL above) was considering brancing out into the preservation of other
> UNIXes (e.g the 4BSD, 3B2, etc). I'd say that we've got enough work
> just on the PDP-11 side of things! I would like to see another group
> tackle the project of 32-bit UNIX preservation. However, I'd be very
> interested and supportive of the project, and would help out if I could.
Well, what I was thinking was that much of the framework and the working
relationship was already there with PUPS, and their interaction with SCO.
It would be hard to 1-upsmanship on the fine work PUPS already has going.
If McKusik is going to be issuing a CD sources set, then maybe it is a
moot point. Still, it would be good to see old binary sets for bellyup
machines archived in some way, via SCO's graces. The PUPS would be a
good way to do that. There aren't but maybe half a dozen or a little
more major machine players, anyway. If it were properly organized,
that would amount to maybe 10 gigs of archive, maximally. Many folks
would not be that much interested in the sources, but would like to
find a binary set for that XYZ toy box sitting in the basement that
long ago got separated in surplus from its original binaries.
I sense there are two groups of players here, those that just want to play
with an old box of some sort, and those that really want to get their feet
into the gummy sources bears and look at the kernel from the inside out.
For the toy players, 100 guildern for the source license and 100 guildern
for McKusik's CD set it getting a little serious. For the real posterity
seekers and history buffs, it is probably well worth it. For the occasional
basement unix toy operator, it probably is more than he spent for a dozen
old boxes.
Anyway, I can't wait for Kirk's CD's to hit the streets. That is a nice
gesture from him for all of the unix buffs. Kudos to Kirk.....
Also, what all 16bit flavors, exactly does the PUPS encompass? Does
that include my toy 8inch Xenix floppers?
Also, if there is enough interest, maybe folks should get together for
a 32BitUPS of some sort......(:+}}....
Now to raid my piggy bank for 200 guildern de realme for a magic source
license and CD set......(:+\\.....
> Cheers all,
> Warren
Likewyse
Bob Keys
From: w...@css.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Who wants a 32-bit PUPS? (was 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes)
Date: 1998/07/27
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In article <6pfpef$f3...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
"Robert D. Keys" <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> writes:
|> Well, what I was thinking was that much of the framework and the working
|> relationship was already there with PUPS, and their interaction with SCO.
|> It would be hard to 1-upsmanship on the fine work PUPS already has going.
|> Also, if there is enough interest, maybe folks should get together for
|> a 32BitUPS of some sort......(:+}}....
I'm not volunteering to co-ordinate a `32BitUPS of some sort' :-)
However, let's ask the question:
Who would be interested in an effort to preserve source code, binaries
and other related material for early, non PDP-11 versions of UNIX?
Warren
From: w...@css.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: Ancient UNIX licenses from SCO
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In article <6pfpef$f3...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
"Robert D. Keys" <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> writes:
|> Also, what all 16bit flavors, exactly does the PUPS encompass? Does
|> that include my toy 8inch Xenix floppers?
The SCO source license says:
The SOURCE CODE PRODUCTS to which SCO grants rights under this
Agreement are restricted to the following UNIX Operating Systems,
including SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEMs, that operate on the 16-Bit
PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System
with specific exclusion of UNIX System V and successor operating
systems:
16-Bit UNIX Editions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
32-bit 32V
and that
SUCCESSOR OPERATING SYSTEM means a SCO software offering that
is (i) specifically designed for a 16-Bit computer, or (ii) the
32V version, and (ii) specifically excludes UNIX System V and
successor operating systems.
Depending on how well you read the legalese, this may allow
16-bit CPUs which are not PDP-11s, or exclude 16-bit CPUs which
are not PDP-11s.
Cheers,
Warren
From: t...@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: Who wants a 32-bit PUPS? (was 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes)
Date: 1998/07/28
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In article <35bbc8e...@news.adfa.oz.au>,
Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
>In article <6pfpef$f3...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
> "Robert D. Keys" <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> writes:
>|> Well, what I was thinking was that much of the framework and the working
>|> relationship was already there with PUPS, and their interaction with SCO.
>|> It would be hard to 1-upsmanship on the fine work PUPS already has going.
>
>|> Also, if there is enough interest, maybe folks should get together for
>|> a 32BitUPS of some sort......(:+}}....
>
>I'm not volunteering to co-ordinate a `32BitUPS of some sort' :-)
>
>However, let's ask the question:
>
>Who would be interested in an effort to preserve source code, binaries
>and other related material for early, non PDP-11 versions of UNIX?
I would.
If we could work out appropriate licensing terms that would let us use
Project resources for it, I'd expect that the NetBSD Project (and our
nonprofit, The NetBSD Foundation) would be interested in this as well. We
generally strive to make NetBSD run on everything we own but there are some
fairly serious retrocomputing types among us as well.
NB I do *not* speak for The Netbsd Foundation.
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From: mer...@visi.com (Doug McIntyre)
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/30
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pe...@baileynm.com () writes:
>In article <6paehe$fu...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
>Robert D. Keys <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
>>> No, but the SCO license covers 32V, and you need a 32V source license
>>> in order to obtain the 4.3BSD sources. Ditto 4.4BSD.
>>I would think that the PUPS might look into that. There were odd things
>>like later vaxen, IBM machines, odd 68000 based critters, and even early
>>x86 toys. I sense there would be some good mileage that the PUPS philosophy
>>might cover regarding these.
>Including the 3b1, perhaps? It's System V-based, but it's not going to
>compete with anything SCO's selling...
The 3b1 ran System Vr2.2. The SCO offer so far is just for any 16-bit
Unix (ie. 5th-7th Editions, some research editions, 1BSD, 2.xBSD), and
the special 32V 32-bit Unix (and 3BSD). As posted before, in the old
days, you needed a 32V license to obtain the 4.xBSD sources from BSD.
So, System V isn't included in any of this, nor is Xenix or anything
derived from those systems.
SCO doesn't actually make the source available themselves, but the
PUPS archive is opened to one who has the SCO special license, and I
assume Kirk McKusick will be checking for the 32V license as a pre-req
for obtaining the 4.xBSD's before the ones based on netlib1 or netlib2
or the 4.4BSDLite releases.
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From: w...@css.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey)
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/30
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In article <7TPv1.3181$AI4.11885...@ptah.visi.com>,
mer...@visi.com (Doug McIntyre) writes:
|> As posted before, in the old
|> days, you needed a 32V license to obtain the 4.xBSD sources from BSD.
|> SCO doesn't actually make the source available themselves, but the
|> PUPS archive is opened to one who has the SCO special license, and I
|> assume Kirk McKusick will be checking for the 32V license as a pre-req
|> for obtaining the 4.xBSD's before the ones based on netlib1 or netlib2
|> or the 4.4BSDLite releases.
|> Doug McIntyre mer...@visi.com
You still need a 32V license (either from AT&T or the new SCO Ancient UNIX
license) in order to obtain 1BSD, 2.xBSD, 3BSD or 4.xBSD. Kirk will
require proof of a license before he will send CDs to people. He has access
to the list of licenses that I maintain. Access to 4BSD was the reason why
we fought so hard to get 32V into SCO's Ancient UNIX license.
Obviously, you don't need any UNIX license to obtain 4.4BSD-Lite :-)
Cheers,
Warren
From: pe...@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: 4.3 or 4.4 BSD tapes
Date: 1998/07/31
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In article <7TPv1.3181$AI4.11885...@ptah.visi.com>,
Doug McIntyre <mer...@visi.com> wrote:
>pe...@baileynm.com () writes:
>>In article <6paehe$fu...@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>,
>>Robert D. Keys <bsd...@seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>>Warren Toomey <w...@css.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
>>>> No, but the SCO license covers 32V, and you need a 32V source license
>>>> in order to obtain the 4.3BSD sources. Ditto 4.4BSD.
>
>>>I would think that the PUPS might look into that. There were odd things
>>>like later vaxen, IBM machines, odd 68000 based critters, and even early
>>>x86 toys. I sense there would be some good mileage that the PUPS philosophy
>>>might cover regarding these.
>
>>Including the 3b1, perhaps? It's System V-based, but it's not going to
>>compete with anything SCO's selling...
>
>The 3b1 ran System Vr2.2. The SCO offer so far is just for any 16-bit
>Unix (ie. 5th-7th Editions, some research editions, 1BSD, 2.xBSD), and
>the special 32V 32-bit Unix (and 3BSD). As posted before, in the old
>days, you needed a 32V license to obtain the 4.xBSD sources from BSD.
I understand that it's not currently covered. What I meant is that it would
be a Good Thing if SCO were to include the 3b1 in their binary redistribution
policy. There are people who will help folks out with 3b1s and no media on
a casual basis, and it would be really nice if they culd do so legally.
SCO doesn't need to do anything themselves, the 3b1 support network is quite
up to the task of handling the media.
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