Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01510 for < oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:45:29 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03801 for oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:45:58 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey < wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199708270045.KAA03801@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Latest PDP-11 UNIX email from SCO To: oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:45:58 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Here is the latest email from SCO with regards to PDP-11 UNIX source licenses. I'll add one comment at the bottom. Please treat this as YOUR EYES ONLY. I haven't got permission from Dion to forward this on (yet), but I think that more pairs of eyes than just mine need to have a look at it for any problems. ----- Forwarded message from Dion ----- From: Dion < dionj@sco.COM> X-Mailer: SCO OpenServer Mail Release 5.0 To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Touching Base! Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:45:07 PDT Warren, Good progress. We have some positive consensus developing. Here is the proposed license terms (roughly, not fully legalized yet). Please let me know if you see any problems with this proposal: Here are the terms that I think make sense: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- License terms: * the license covers the entire distributions (source code, binaries and documentation) of the following versions of UNIX: o 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX o 32V UNIX o PWB/UNIX o those portions of all 2BSD releases which are derived from UNIX source code * licensees have these rights wrt the binaries and source code of the above versions of UNIX: use store reproduce edit adapt enchance improve otherwise modify transmit electronically repackage * These rights are licensed to noncommercial users. The source may not be sold nor used to develop commercial versions of UNIX. * licensees have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software * licensees have the right to allow noncommercial use the UNIX binaries on systems for which the product is licensed. (Note that the latter is already permitted, given SCO's binary license agreement for 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX. We would also be happy with the following conditions imposed in the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes) * license is not transferable. * source code covered by the license cannot be distributed or disclosed to people not covered by the license. The licensees are permitted to collaborate on modifications and mutually share their modifications. * SCO is not required to provide copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes License Fee: SCO charges a one-time license fee of $100 per licensee, for a site license for one organization. We may, at some future time, provide source distributions (if/when we can find the sources), but this is not committed. We know that the licensees have, between them, most of the needed sources. ----- End of forwarded message from Dion ----- My comment. The only thing I want to change is: * licensees have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software becomes * licensees have the right to install UNIX software on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software This allows us to install source so as to modify it or to rebuild kernels etc. I briefly raised the issue of source distribution (SCO or me? FTP or CD-ROM?), but I suggested that we leave it until the licenses go on sale. Please email your comments on this to the mailing list (oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au). Thanks, Warren wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au
Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02507 for < oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:52:56 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00316; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:51:21 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey < wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199708270551.PAA00316@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Latest PDP-11 UNIX email from SCO To: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven M. Schultz) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 15:51:20 +1000 (EST) Cc: oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: <199708270539.WAA16297@moe.2bsd.com> from "Steven M. Schultz" at "Aug 26, 97 10:39:11 pm" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article by Steven M. Schultz: > It looks to me that SCO has granted "us" every single thing we were > asking for. I've thought of a few more changes: In the wording from SCO, the status of `documentation' is unclear. The following should clear this up: + use the term software == `source, binaries and documentation' in many places where this is appropriate. + use the term `source' only where they want to restrict to licensees. + also, don't disclose `source' to people not covered by the SCO license or by existing UNIX software licenses from Western Electric and AT&T. Comments anybody? Warren
Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08783 for < oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:44:23 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03340; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:43:09 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey < wkt@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199708290143.LAA03340@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Latest PDP-11 UNIX email from SCO To: mcjones@pa.dec.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:43:09 +1000 (EST) Cc: oldunix@minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: <9708281506.AA29078@numbat05-an2.pa.dec.com> from "mcjones@pa.dec.com" at "Aug 28, 97 08:06:23 am" Reply-To: wkt@cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article by mcjones@pa.dec.com: > > > Maybe someone else can volunteer, if I organise the contents :-) > > There's one here at my workplace. I don't know how to use it myself. > I could probably get some help in burning one or two, but I don't > think it would be appropriate to burn dozens or hundreds. How many > licensees do you anticipate? There's 300 signatures on the petition. I'd hope that 1/2 of those will buy licenses, and probably most would like the stuff in easy-to-use form. I know that Steven Schultz has access to a writer too (hint hint!). I will probably buy another hard disk here for the PDP archive, and give access to license holders. I'd like to get users to suggest layout changes & what should be exploded etc. so that we can burn a 650M CD image directly from the archive. Currently, the archive is sitting at 250M, so there's room to explode many of the distributions stored there. We also need to sit down and catalogue this stuff so that it's not just a collection of random tapes. I'm slowly doing this & have done the most important stuff, see the Tapes/DETAILS file if you ftp in. But more work needs to be done. So hopefully, we can pass the archive (as a Rock Ridge image) to a few volunteers to burn CD-R copies. Anybody in Europe who would volunteer? Just an idea! Warren