« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2005, 09:22:55 PM »
louis.landryI will suggest on the issue of dublin core metadata, that a discussion
take place to decide upon a subset of the DCMI elements applicable to joomla content.
Also, once this subset has been determined, the need will arise to map current content
parameters to its respective element as well as determine what information should
be put in each element not mapped to a current content parameter. I like the
idea of this, but can quickly see there will be some of these that are taken care
of globally through the JDocument class and others that will necessitate being populated
within the component itself. The content component is going to be HEAVILY
reworked in 1.2 and this would be the time to make these decisions.
Louis
Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 08:51:57 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Introduction of Dublin Core Metadata elements
Suggestion Description
Implement Dublin Core metadata elements as per http://dublincore.org/ in addition
to current/improved meta keywords and description handling.
Supporting Argument(s)
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 07:27:20 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Generate “human friendly” URLs
Suggestion Description
The system should have the ability to generate URLs that make sense to the human
eye and reinforces keywords within content. For example:
http://mysite.com/sectionname/categoryname/title.html
Further, the system should provide flexibility for the user to select whether to
display or not the section name, the category name or the page title. It should
also allow for an override of the URL for each content item.
(Caveat: this needs to be handled without significant increases on server loads)
Supporting Argument(s)
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2005, 07:26:04 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Eliminate duplicate URL’s for same content
Suggestion Description
The system currently oftens reaches the same page via different URL’s. This
can increase the number of page that have to be indexed (unecessarily) by SE.
For example, http://mysite.com/, http://mysite.com/index.php, http://mysite.com/
component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/ all lead to the same page. It may
also trigger a “duplicate content penalty” with some SE.
Supporting Argument(s)
“I have been thinking for a while that duplicate URL and therefore duplicate content
penalty is a bigger problem, but I have no element to back this up, except that
my sites are listed with a lot of "similar pages" when doing "site:www.mydomain.com",
(and also that the above-mentioned SEO sites are full of posts about it!)” - shumisha
References
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg123286.html#msg123286
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 07:24:55 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Use headers for article titles
Suggestion Description
Instead of delivering article titles in a table cell with a class of “contentheading”,
they should be delivered in a <hx> (discussion on Usability & Accessibility work
group leads us to favour <h3> at the moment).
Supporting Argument(s)
Search engines put more weight if the title is found in a header level element than
within the text.
References
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg108213.html#msg108213
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 07:23:33 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Provide a core Sitemap component
Suggestion Description
Supporting Argument(s)
A sitemap will help Search Engines crawl your site. The SE will find the sitemap
and “venture forth” from there. Google has its own “Google sitemap” system,
which they use, but all SE will benefit from a sitemap.
Non SEO related argument in favour of a core Sitemap component is compliance with
WAI’s WCAG 1.0 Priority 2 Point 13.3 – “Provide information about the general layout
of a site (e.g., a site map or table of contents).”
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 07:20:41 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Generate code output that validates to XHTML/CSS
Suggestion Description
Supporting Argument(s)
“It will. The more HTML there is, the more diluted the content is. Many
SEO sources stress code-to-content ratio, and it's one of the big benefits of CSS
w/ regards to SEO. Bots love accesibility and a low content-to-code ratio
usually provides just that.” - gharding
References
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg107920.html#msg107920
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2005, 07:22:12 PM by vavroom »
Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 07:19:48 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Ability to manage page title behaviour
Suggestion Description
If dynamic titles are selected, Joomla! currently delivers titles in the following
format: “Site name – Article title.”
A better format would be: “Article title – Site name”.
Better yet would be offering users the ability of selecting which behaviour they
want, with the default behaviour being “Article title – Site name”.
Even better, would be the ability to offer a page title override. This may
not be possible using patTemplate as suggested by Jinx, as each content item may
need its particular page title override.
Supporting Argument(s)
“Make sure your page title is appearing before the sitename on your page as this
will increase clicks when you are ranked” – Jimboot
“What about if we want, for some reason (any reason) to create an strategy
for SEO, and we decide as a company to experiment with the titles and metas (inverting
order betwen global and item, to hide them etc.). I would be better for me, a Joomla
user and padawan (notice the star wars word) to have more control, flexibility in
this matter... let's forget at this moment if this feature is good or not for SEO,
just focus on the ability of Joomla to control as many aspects as we want from our
content. That's why I think Joomla must include this option, that's why Joomla it's
a CMS, Is'n it?” – consiglieri
“Usability (and marketing) - links to home pages which appear in favorites lists
as "Home" are a usability and marketing problem. Who among us has not looked
and looked for the link to that web site whose name starts a W, only to finally
find it listed alphabetically in the "H" section (Home), if you find it at all?
Bad marketing and bad usability.” - kenmcd
References
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg107995.html#msg107995
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg109960.html#msg109960
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,18041.0.html
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,4329.0.html
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2005, 07:21:43 PM by vavroom »
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 07:18:20 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Change meta keywords and meta description handling on the frontpage.
Suggestion Description
Currently the front page displays the global meta info, along with the meta information
from every content item displayed on the front page.
The frontpage should deliver only the global meta info, or a method for including
meta info only for the frontpage, similar to that of individual content items should
be included.
Supporting Argument(s)
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2005, 07:21:25 PM by vavroom »
Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 07:17:05 PM »
vavroomDRAFT
Suggestion Summary
Meta keywords and meta description separation.
Suggestion Description
Offer a way to change the appending behaviour of meta keywords and meta description,
so global meta information does not get automatically appended to that of individual
content item.
Supporting Argument(s)
References
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,27075.0.html
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,17210.msg107781.html#msg107781
• http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,4329.0.html
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2005, 07:21:07 PM by vavroom »
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Re: Joomla 1.1 and SEO improvements
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 03:58:31 PM »
vavroomGamesport, I think the need for this is recognised, otherwise this
particular thread wouldn't have been started by Jinx, who is the lead coder for
1.1
I think that what we need to do, at this point, is a simple and concise list of
*what* is needed, perhaps not so much *why* it's needed. Though supporting
argument can be a good thing. I'll take some time to review and go through
those threads and "lift" things up. Feel free to go through it as well.
My work group has been tasked with creating a proposal for the 1.1 development guys.
I am hoping to be able to present each proposal in the following format:
Requested format
Suggestion #x
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
Suggestion Description
It's a bad idea to do this because, and this is how it's
best achieved...
Supporting argument
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« Last Edit: December 30, 2005, 07:48:19 PM by vavroom »
Re: Joomla 1.5 and SEO improvements discussion.
« on: December 29, 2005, 02:54:16 PM »
gamesportyou can add this to those links: http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,27075.0.html
i read through all the arguments in the other thread, and without rehashing all
the arguments in those threads, let me quickly show you a recent example of the
penalty that is incurred without a seperate metadata for content items.
One i published an article about a "New Top Spin 2 Trailer Released" a couple of
days later, a google search for "Top Spin 2 Trailer", had my website thing
on top 3 results. After about 9 more articles published within a week on my site,
the Article, is automatically removed from my Latest News Module.
Now i can't even get the article on google search even if i put the full Title of
the article, but yahoo search still has it on #7 for my initial search phrase
essentially what this means is that once the article link dissappears completely
from my frontpage, google, starts to penalize it, b/c its still using the metadata
from the homepage.
To test my theory, do a google search for top spin 2 delay confirmed which
is still one of the links that is still on the latest news module on my home page.
you will get top tier results for my site. I can guarantee, that as soon as
i have enought articles that remove those links from the homepage, you will not
see that result in google. Yahoo seems to be more lenient though.....
So i think what we need is to be able to have metadata for content items, that doesnt
call the one for the frontpage. we need seperation